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claymore
06-30-2009, 01:05 AM
OK since I'm a maintenance maniac and change my oil every 5000km I was introduced to fumoto valves by manxman and since there was no info here I thought I would write this little thread to let everybody know what they are.

And to keep everybody happy I do not have any for sale and I'm not affiliated with the company in any way I just like this product.

OK what the heck is a fumoto valve??? All they are is a brass valve that replaces your oil pan drain plug that opens easily to drain your oil without having to remove and replace the oil plug when you change your oil.

Here is what it looks like:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/claymore729/fumoto.jpg

This one part number f106N has a nipple on the end to attach a hose but there is another model without the nipple. I like the one with a nipple (get your minds out of the gutter) because you can attach a hose to direct the oil where you want it. (more later).

If you look at the photo you can see a silver, short, lever sticking out a little. All you do if you want to release your oil is lift the lever up and then slide it into the slot and push it toward the nipple and presto this opens up the inside and your old oil is released.

When the oil is finished draining you just slide the lever back into the down position to close the valve and you can add your new oil and your oil change only takes a few minutes. And no more worrying about stripping the pan threads or finding a drain plug gasket.

All the reviews I have read and everyone I talked to have said they have no problems with the valve opening on it's own but being paranoid I couldn't sleep thinking about the valve opening on it's own so I followed the advice for paranoid people on the package.

This is one solution:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/claymore729/fumoto1.jpg

It's just a simple worm clamp available at your favorite parts place or hardware store for about a quarter. Just get the size clamp that fits over the top of the valve and screw it in place and it prevents the valve from opening on it's own. So now you just use a screwdriver and loosen up the clamp before moving the lever.

Or you could use this type clamp:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/claymore729/fumoto2.jpg

Does the same thing just use a pair of pliers to spring it open and put on the top of the valve. Your choice of which to use or not up to you.

OK how does it FIT? It goes in the same hole as the oil drain plug and comes with a paper type gasket so you discard the old metal one or keep it in case you ever change back.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/claymore729/Fumoto4.jpg

It just screws in and you need a 19mm wrench (or adjustable one) to use on the body or 17mm to use on the nipple but I would try not to do that as you would be putting more torque onto the nipple. Try to end up with the lever out the side for ease of use but it really doesn't matter the valve will work in any position.

For me this is the best reason other than ease of use for having this valve:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/claymore729/Fumoto5.jpg

With using the stock plug to drain the oil I find it impossible to get a large 5 liter used water bottle under the drain to catch the used oil so I end up using a drain pan and get some splash over and when I'm finished I have to pour the used oil into the big bottle for disposal anyway and get a bit more splash over so there is always some spillage to clean up.

BUT with this valve and a piece of hose I can put the water bottle in at a slight angle and the hose directs the used oil right into the bottle with ZERO spillage.:D

If you are wondering I found the valve on epay for about $17.00 so the price is not bad you may even find them cheaper if you watch epay.

I would recommend the one with a nipple for use with the hose as it's only a buck or two more expensive but well worth it to avoid spillage and a messy garage floor.

A bit of advice about using magnetic plugs or this valve. I have had magnetic drain plugs in both my trans and oil pan and they collected metal particles on them for about the first 20,000 km but after that there were only minute amounts of slime on them so that is when I decided to change as there was little slime collected after that mileage. Their effectiveness was reduced as the engine was not putting out metallic particles from break in anymore.

On another note I had a light bulb moment under the car and thought why not put one in the transmission also......... NOPE the way it is made the valve is too big and hits the trans housing so it's a NO GO:(

manxman
06-30-2009, 09:03 AM
Good write-up claymore! I am just about to buy another Fumoto valve, because my GE is just about due for its first oil change.

But since the valve sits so hi up from the ground, and the lever takes so much effort to move to the open position, I have used these drain valves since 1987 on an off-road truck and two other vehicles including my GD, with never a leak. I won't be using the "safety clamp", but if your clamp lets you sleep better, knock yourself out! For the other "paranoids" out there, the clamp is certainly cheap insurance, whether or not you believe that it's necessary.

claymore
07-01-2009, 12:44 AM
LOL Dave yea it's just me and those voices in my head that keep me up nights worrying about that little lever. For the rest of you guys I have never seen or heard about one opening on it's own BUT the manufacturer includes that tip on the package and website for us guys that hear voices......

manxman
07-07-2009, 10:02 AM
I just ordered a new valve for my GE8- same part # F106 as for the GD's, but this time I ordered the F106N with the nipple extension. I looked on eBay and Amazon to see if there were any cheap deals, and actually found higher prices rather than lower ones. I ordered this one from Lubrication Specialists in Seattle, WA (like I did last time), but they are on vacation and won't ship until 7/15.

claymore
07-07-2009, 12:24 PM
Dave, you will like the convenience of the f-106-N the first time you can direct the used oil where you want it to go not like me and all over the floor.:p

woodenclock2
09-14-2009, 08:32 PM
LOL Dave yea it's just me and those voices in my head that keep me up nights worrying about that little lever. For the rest of you guys I have never seen or heard about one opening on it's own BUT the manufacturer includes that tip on the package and website for us guys that hear voices......

they only really recommend it for farm equipment where wheat or other tall scraggly vegetation might snag it

i run mine just fine

the "insurance policy" effectively negates the main feature (at least for me) that it is a tool-less draining of oil (draining straight into a bottle might be the main pros to some.......ok its pretty fantastic)

i change oil once a month and using tools really sucked

manxman
09-14-2009, 09:50 PM
Who are the "they" in "they only recommend------" that you talk about?

claymore
09-14-2009, 11:17 PM
they only really recommend it for farm equipment where wheat or other tall scraggly vegetation might snag it

i run mine just fine

the "insurance policy" effectively negates the main feature (at least for me) that it is a tool-less draining of oil (draining straight into a bottle might be the main pros to some.......ok its pretty fantastic)

i change oil once a month and using tools really sucked


Yea who is "THEY" nothing about farm work on the fumoto site. And one tool, a plain old screwdriver, does not make for a pain in the ass. It takes less than 10 seconds to remove the clamp.

EXWRX
09-15-2009, 03:48 PM
I first heard about the Fumoto valve in the Subaru community. I heard of people that had fully built Rally cars using the Fumoto valve without any additional clamps, and also without any problems. It's a complicated enough motion and requires enough force that it is extremely unlikely, but not completely impossible, for the valve to open somehow.

claymore
09-16-2009, 10:47 AM
Guess they are wrong on the fumoto website and in their own products instructions where they advise the clamp for some uses. :rolleyes:

Funny what you can learn simply by reading the material that comes WITH a product.

EXWRX
09-16-2009, 11:51 AM
Claymore, I wasn't saying that it was a bad idea. Just from what I've heard from anecdotal evidence, I'm comfortable without a clamp.

manxman
09-16-2009, 12:08 PM
Claymore, I wasn't saying that it was a bad idea. Just from what I've heard from anecdotal evidence, I'm comfortable without a clamp.
John is just being cranky. I teased him about a year ago over his paranoia about the valve opening accidentally. In that exchange, I mentioned that I have used this product for about 20 years on off road trucks and SUVs. The clamp is not necessary, but it does give you an absolute guarantee that the valve won't open until the clamp is removed.

I have never had a rock put a hole in my A/C condenser, but I am confident that the grille that I put on my Fit makes that rare event impossible now. Claymore's clamp is really cheap peace of mind. Necessary or not, he's happy.

claymore
09-16-2009, 10:28 PM
Hey no problemo. I know some people think I post "too hard" so I tried to joke it up with the face. Blame it on Dave it all his fault or maybe it's just the voices in my head that only sound like him..........

woodenclock2
09-18-2009, 12:33 PM
Yea who is "THEY" nothing about farm work on the fumoto site. And one tool, a plain old screwdriver, does not make for a pain in the ass. It takes less than 10 seconds to remove the clamp.


Who do YOU think "they" are? ........ aliens?

just because YOU COULDN'T FIND IT does NOT mean "it doesn't exist"

on YOUR pic it clearly shows "www.fumotousa.com" on the packaging so what web site did u go to?
did u even try?




http://www.fumotousa.com/
ON THE HOME PAGE, at the bottom

Warning:
For users under extreme conditions:
If you are using the Engine Oil Drain Valve on off-road vehicles such as farm tractors and logging equipment under extreme environment (i.e. corn fields, brush areas), it is recommended that a hose clip as shown below be used for extra safety and security. The hose clip, which can be purchased at any hardware stores, will firmly keep the lever in the locked position at all times.


as you can read they r talking about EXTREME conditions using heavy equipment NOT street cars and even under those conditions they only "recommend" for "extra" safety not that it is "absolutely necessary"
10 seconds with a screw driver is infinitely longer and harder than NO tool taking ZERO seconds

i totally understand about "feeling safe" but using a clamp is overkill
even IF you were to drive on unpaved roads or even grass fields, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON TO DRIVING IN A CORN FIELD
DON'T EVEN THINK OF COMPARING your driving conditions, no matter how bad your roads are to a corn field

i know about www.quickoildrainvalve.com
nowhere do "they" state or even recommend as optional to use anything other then their locking mechanism
they state:
" Q. Will my Engine Oil Drain Valve open up while I am on the road?

A. No. In its closed position the Engine Oil Drain Valve extends from the oil pan only about one half inch more than a standard oil drain plug. The valve's simple but effective locking system requires two distinct actions to open it and its heavy-duty construction will withstand any engine vibration. Over 2,000,000 Engine Oil Drain Valves have been sold in the past eight years and no problems have been reported. "

www.quickoildrainvalve believes that using a clamp for on-road apps is soo extreme, they don't even bother mentioning about farming/logging

i thought i left the "freaky net":confused:


please don't ban me like a "freaky" mod would because i am right and i might have hurt other people's "feelings" while trying to educate them

i am here for "technical" info NOT for friends

woodenclock2
09-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Who are the "they" in "they only recommend------" that you talk about?

the voices

:confused: :mad:

manxman
09-18-2009, 02:30 PM
Who do YOU think "they" are? ........ aliens?

just because YOU COULDN'T FIND IT does NOT mean "it doesn't exist"

on YOUR pic it clearly shows "www.fumotousa.com" on the packaging so what web site did u go to?
did u even try?




http://www.fumotousa.com/
ON THE HOME PAGE, at the bottom

Warning:
For users under extreme conditions:
If you are using the Engine Oil Drain Valve on off-road vehicles such as farm tractors and logging equipment under extreme environment (i.e. corn fields, brush areas), it is recommended that a hose clip as shown below be used for extra safety and security. The hose clip, which can be purchased at any hardware stores, will firmly keep the lever in the locked position at all times.


as you can read they r talking about EXTREME conditions using heavy equipment NOT street cars and even under those conditions they only "recommend" for "extra" safety not that it is "absolutely necessary"
10 seconds with a screw driver is infinitely longer and harder than NO tool taking ZERO seconds

i totally understand about "feeling safe" but using a clamp is overkill
even IF you were to drive on unpaved roads or even grass fields, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON TO DRIVING IN A CORN FIELD
DON'T EVEN THINK OF COMPARING your driving conditions, no matter how bad your roads are to a corn field

i know about www.quickoildrainvalve.com
nowhere do "they" state or even recommend as optional to use anything other then their locking mechanism
they state:
" Q. Will my Engine Oil Drain Valve open up while I am on the road?

A. No. In its closed position the Engine Oil Drain Valve extends from the oil pan only about one half inch more than a standard oil drain plug. The valve's simple but effective locking system requires two distinct actions to open it and its heavy-duty construction will withstand any engine vibration. Over 2,000,000 Engine Oil Drain Valves have been sold in the past eight years and no problems have been reported. "

www.quickoildrainvalve believes that using a clamp for on-road apps is soo extreme, they don't even bother mentioning about farming/logging

i thought i left the "freaky net":confused:


please don't ban me like a "freaky" mod would because i am right and i might have hurt other people's "feelings" while trying to educate them

i am here for "technical" info NOT for friends
No reason to get upset. We just asked who your "they" were. Most of us don't run farm equipment, so there was no reason to worry about tall plants opening the valve. But it is nice to know that the info. is there on the Fumoto site.

As is ALWAYS the case, my question was sincere. Thanks for your accurate answer. No one said that your information "doesn't exist"-- we asked where you got it. Calm down.

claymore
09-19-2009, 08:36 AM
Whew, No wonder people get upset with you...and people think I post too stongly. DUDE if you want to leave it off be my guest. As I said I put it on because I WANT TO not because I have to. Nothing on the package mentions farm equiptment it just shows clamp use if WANTED. If spending 10 seconds to loosen a clamp is too much work for you good for you do what you want. For me the extra 10 seconds is worth it. And who cares what another car forum thinks? I mean it's not a BIGGY or anything like that now is it.;)